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	<title>Comments on: Redefining Humanity</title>
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		<title>By: pwyll</title>
		<link>http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2009/01/29/redefining-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-12282</link>
		<dc:creator>pwyll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faernya,
Let me make sure I understand you. A mother can determine that her two year old is a trespasser and then kill him for trespassing?   If not, what did I miss?

I&#039;m not a lawyer, but I&#039;m going to recommend that you not put into practice your theory that it is legal to execute trespassers, even children. You may discover the local district attorney does not read the law quite the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faernya,<br />
Let me make sure I understand you. A mother can determine that her two year old is a trespasser and then kill him for trespassing?   If not, what did I miss?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but I&#8217;m going to recommend that you not put into practice your theory that it is legal to execute trespassers, even children. You may discover the local district attorney does not read the law quite the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: Faernya</title>
		<link>http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2009/01/29/redefining-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-12280</link>
		<dc:creator>Faernya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pwyll asks, &quot;I am curious, does this right to kill trespassers extend to children post partum? If not, why not?&quot;

If those children are trespassing, then they are at the same risk an adult would be in trespassing. It is not the responsibility of the property owner to determine the age of a trespasser before taking action to protect his or her property. The only responsibility the property owner has is to ensure that a trespass has, in fact, happened, before taking those actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pwyll asks, &#8220;I am curious, does this right to kill trespassers extend to children post partum? If not, why not?&#8221;</p>
<p>If those children are trespassing, then they are at the same risk an adult would be in trespassing. It is not the responsibility of the property owner to determine the age of a trespasser before taking action to protect his or her property. The only responsibility the property owner has is to ensure that a trespass has, in fact, happened, before taking those actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Faernya</title>
		<link>http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2009/01/29/redefining-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-12279</link>
		<dc:creator>Faernya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpy Old Man writes &quot;in many places one cannot lawfully kill a trespasser or a burglar.&quot;

I cannot speak to the inadequacy of the law in this case. The right to property is absolute. If the law does not recognize that right, then the law is defective. If you do not perceive that the mother&#039;s womb is her property alone, then there is no way to discuss the issue with you.

The rest of your arguments rely upon prior assumptions that I do not share, and thus do not recognize as valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy Old Man writes &#8220;in many places one cannot lawfully kill a trespasser or a burglar.&#8221;</p>
<p>I cannot speak to the inadequacy of the law in this case. The right to property is absolute. If the law does not recognize that right, then the law is defective. If you do not perceive that the mother&#8217;s womb is her property alone, then there is no way to discuss the issue with you.</p>
<p>The rest of your arguments rely upon prior assumptions that I do not share, and thus do not recognize as valid.</p>
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		<title>By: pwyll</title>
		<link>http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2009/01/29/redefining-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-12277</link>
		<dc:creator>pwyll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faernya writes that &quot;Only the property owner - whether that is the mother or the person who owns the home - has the right to decide whether or not an intruder is wanted or unwanted, and, by extension, what measures will be acceptable to deal with that intruder.&quot;

I am curious, does this right to kill trespassers extend to children post partum?  If not, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faernya writes that &#8220;Only the property owner &#8211; whether that is the mother or the person who owns the home &#8211; has the right to decide whether or not an intruder is wanted or unwanted, and, by extension, what measures will be acceptable to deal with that intruder.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am curious, does this right to kill trespassers extend to children post partum?  If not, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2009/01/29/redefining-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-12276</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing a fetus to a trespasser or a burglar and a mother to a property-owner seems to me less than apt. Besides which, in many places one cannot lawfully kill a trespasser or a burglar.

A fetus may or may not be a convenient passenger, but she cannot be culpable as an adult interloper is, nor is it self-evident that the interior of the womb is the mother&#039;s property alone. That analogy only holds if one has already reached the conclusion that the mother alone has the right to &quot;choose.&quot;

If it&#039;s not enough that the church has always forbidden the practice, one need not reach a conclusion about the humanity of the embryo-fetus-baby&#039;s humanity to oppose abortion. The &quot;slippery slope&quot; and &quot;build a fence around the law&quot; arguments are pretty strong. Unlimited abortion may cause social and cultural degeneration in ways both predictable and unforeseeable.

Forgive me, a sinner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing a fetus to a trespasser or a burglar and a mother to a property-owner seems to me less than apt. Besides which, in many places one cannot lawfully kill a trespasser or a burglar.</p>
<p>A fetus may or may not be a convenient passenger, but she cannot be culpable as an adult interloper is, nor is it self-evident that the interior of the womb is the mother&#8217;s property alone. That analogy only holds if one has already reached the conclusion that the mother alone has the right to &#8220;choose.&#8221;</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not enough that the church has always forbidden the practice, one need not reach a conclusion about the humanity of the embryo-fetus-baby&#8217;s humanity to oppose abortion. The &#8220;slippery slope&#8221; and &#8220;build a fence around the law&#8221; arguments are pretty strong. Unlimited abortion may cause social and cultural degeneration in ways both predictable and unforeseeable.</p>
<p>Forgive me, a sinner.</p>
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