Comments on: On Assisted Suicide http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/ a physician looks at medicine, religion, politics, pets, & passion in life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:17:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dr Bob http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-12932 Dr Bob Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:29:13 +0000 http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/#comment-12932 From that notorious pro-life site, <a href="http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html" rel="nofollow">National Abortion Federation</a>:<blockquote>Most women getting abortions (83%) are unmarried; 67% have never married, and 16% are separated, divorced, or widowed. Married women are significantly less likely than unmarried women to resolve unintended pregnancies through abortion.</blockquote> As you so elegantly put it, "shit happens". Condom breaks? Kill the baby. BC pill missed? Kill the baby. No muss, no fuss, no consequences. Life is good. I stand uncorrected: abortion is at its core about the (delusional) belief that unrestrained sexual license should have no consequences. While married utilize it, the driving force behind the religion of abortion is sexual libertinism. Oh, I almost forgot: assisted suicide is most certainly about co-opting physicians to terminate the lives of patients -- just who exactly is writing those lethal prescriptions? The janitor? And all pro-assisted suicide organizations strongly favor active euthanasia as well as assisted suicide. It is, as they say, a gateway drug, nicely disguised in fine-sounding but deceptive language of "choice" and "dignity." But the goal is the Netherlands: no restriction on life termination, with physicians fully on board. And no, I won't be looking for someone to kill me when I'm dying. What I will understand is the infinite value of the love and relationships with friends and family, the value of suffering, and the hope of deliverance. That, my foolish friend, is death with dignity -- not an handful of pills and a plastic bag over my head if they don't work. From that notorious pro-life site, National Abortion Federation:
Most women getting abortions (83%) are unmarried; 67% have never married, and 16% are separated, divorced, or widowed. Married women are significantly less likely than unmarried women to resolve unintended pregnancies through abortion.

As you so elegantly put it, “shit happens”. Condom breaks? Kill the baby. BC pill missed? Kill the baby. No muss, no fuss, no consequences. Life is good.

I stand uncorrected: abortion is at its core about the (delusional) belief that unrestrained sexual license should have no consequences. While married utilize it, the driving force behind the religion of abortion is sexual libertinism.

Oh, I almost forgot: assisted suicide is most certainly about co-opting physicians to terminate the lives of patients — just who exactly is writing those lethal prescriptions? The janitor? And all pro-assisted suicide organizations strongly favor active euthanasia as well as assisted suicide. It is, as they say, a gateway drug, nicely disguised in fine-sounding but deceptive language of “choice” and “dignity.” But the goal is the Netherlands: no restriction on life termination, with physicians fully on board.

And no, I won’t be looking for someone to kill me when I’m dying. What I will understand is the infinite value of the love and relationships with friends and family, the value of suffering, and the hope of deliverance. That, my foolish friend, is death with dignity — not an handful of pills and a plastic bag over my head if they don’t work.

]]> By: The Doctor is Out http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-12930 The Doctor is Out Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:00:24 +0000 http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/#comment-12930 Oh I almost forgot, <blockquote>You are, of course, perfectly free to end your own life, with or without such legislation. A handgun and a single bullet will do the job very nicely — along with a hundred other ways.</blockquote> It must be so easy for terminally ill patients who are confined to hospice beds to get guns right? Nobody is asking the physician to kill them, the legislation calls for access to lethal prescriptions so that paitents can kill themselves. Maybe you will finally understand when you are dying. Oh I almost forgot,

You are, of course, perfectly free to end your own life, with or without such legislation. A handgun and a single bullet will do the job very nicely — along with a hundred other ways.

It must be so easy for terminally ill patients who are confined to hospice beds to get guns right? Nobody is asking the physician to kill them, the legislation calls for access to lethal prescriptions so that paitents can kill themselves. Maybe you will finally understand when you are dying.

]]> By: The Doctor is Out http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-12929 The Doctor is Out Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:54:19 +0000 http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/#comment-12929 <blockquote>Unrestricted abortion, a.k.a. “freedom of choice”, is about the uncompromising (albeit delusional) demand for unconstrained sexual license without consequences — especially for women, but also for their sperm donors who want no responsibility for their casual hookups: dispose of the unplanned pregnancy, move on to your next “partner”, and you have achieved the perfect “zipless fuck.” </blockquote> Have you ever had sex in your life? Shit happens! Condoms break, dedicated married couples end up pregnant before they are ready, people with vasectomies even end up pregnant on occasion, and you are saying that abortion is merely a justification for tramps and mansluts to get down all the time? Do you think women want to get abortions? If you are trying to justify this (delusional) pro-life stance at least use some unfalsifiable bullshit claim like religion. You fail.

Unrestricted abortion, a.k.a. “freedom of choice”, is about the uncompromising (albeit delusional) demand for unconstrained sexual license without consequences — especially for women, but also for their sperm donors who want no responsibility for their casual hookups: dispose of the unplanned pregnancy, move on to your next “partner”, and you have achieved the perfect “zipless fuck.”

Have you ever had sex in your life? Shit happens! Condoms break, dedicated married couples end up pregnant before they are ready, people with vasectomies even end up pregnant on occasion, and you are saying that abortion is merely a justification for tramps and mansluts to get down all the time? Do you think women want to get abortions?

If you are trying to justify this (delusional) pro-life stance at least use some unfalsifiable bullshit claim like religion.

You fail.

]]> By: Greg http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-12111 Greg Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:58:12 +0000 http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/#comment-12111 Dr. Bob, We need you in our medical schools! I can't even begin to count the number of times my classmates have begun arguments with "the specific" and then attempted, with the unabashed approval of professors and lecturers, to attempt application to the general. I came across this Victor Frankl quote from "The Doctor and the Soul" in my first year of medical school: "I am absolutely convinced that the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Maidanek were ultimately prepared not in some ministry or other in Berlin, but rather at the desks and in the lecture halls of nihilistic scientists and philosophers." Sadly, I think he was right. And I am compelled to believe that history is repeating itself, only this time I find myself embroiled in the conflict. Dr. Bob,
We need you in our medical schools! I can’t even begin to count the number of times my classmates have begun arguments with “the specific” and then attempted, with the unabashed approval of professors and lecturers, to attempt application to the general.
I came across this Victor Frankl quote from “The Doctor and the Soul” in my first year of medical school: “I am absolutely convinced that the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Maidanek were ultimately prepared not in some ministry or other in Berlin, but rather at the desks and in the lecture halls of nihilistic scientists and philosophers.”
Sadly, I think he was right. And I am compelled to believe that history is repeating itself, only this time I find myself embroiled in the conflict.

]]> By: Pam http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-12092 Pam Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:56:57 +0000 http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/12/18/on-assisted-suicide/#comment-12092 Until you watch a loved one going through thr process of death I truely do not believe that anyone has the right to force their views on anyone. You are not facing what that person is facing. You do not have to go through the so called proceedures to ensure life. Is it more humane to deny a person food and drink? or the law of do not resitate? I think that is more inhumane than to say my life is not going to get any better and so I choose to end my life. What right do any of us have to force our views on anyone? Jackie Kennedy had the right to choose why can't the average Joe have the same consideration? To be able to say good by with family and friends and celebrate the person who is and not the vegetable that is left to die. We put our dogs to sleep so that they do not suffer any more than they have. Are our lives any less important? Why do we have to suffer and not have the choice to call it quits when that quality of life is no longer evident? I watched my mother die for three long years and have watched her go through procedures to prolong her life and in the end the poor care of nursing facilities and the infections she had to endure and the painful treatment of those infections that she had to endure makes me in favor of physician assisted suicides. God does not want us to suffer. God does not want us to experience the pain and suffering of disease. So why as a human being are we enforcing that way on ourselves as well as our loved ones? Where is the compasion? Where is the love for human kind? Something is not right here and needs to be revised. Look at the poor people who are stuck in thoses facilities and see the mistreatment, the filth, the disease and infection that is spread not only in the Nursing facilities but in the hospitals themselves. None of this was happening years ago but it is today. Until the medical field cleans up their act who are they or anyone else to say that we do not have the right to choose if we want our live to end or not. The re was a time when children were not allowed on the floors of sick people not today. There are infants up there contracting the same diseases as the people in the hospitals. The cleaning of those facilities is not as clean as they once were. the nurses do not care and are as dirty by leaving syringes all over the place. If you do not have anyone there to speak for you then your are as good as dead. The care in hospitals and nursing facilities is sub standard. Not everyone has the space or the means to have the patient have care at home. Nursing facilities are the worse because there are not enough nurses to care for the patients as in a hospital. The nurse in a nursing facitity may have up to 30 patients on her shift. That is 1 nurse for 30 patients who are there for critical care. The CNA's do not care. They will stand in the halls a talk with each other and the patients have to go to the bathroom all at the same time. Then when the patient has no choice but to soil their pants and the embarassment of having to do that not to mention not all CNA's want to clean the mess so the patient has to sit in it. This causes the infections that they get. Not to mention that the nurses do not follow doctor's written orders. The list is endless. Do you want to live your last days like that? People wake up! It may not be a choice for everyone but do not deny another person that right. Everyone should have the right to choose. After seeing what my mother went through I do not want the same fate for myself. I do not want my family feeling guilty because of what they may be forced to choose as a way of life for me. I want the right to say no more. I am so sick of people playing God by making the decision of what they feel is the right thing to do. I want to be able to make the decision of what I want to do when faced with what is going on in my life. I want what is right for me. Not what someone thinks should be right for everyone. We have had it stressed that we are all individuals so why can't we make the decision of life vs death? Do not force your beliefs on another person. The option should be there for all people. Not everyone will choose that way of dying for whatever their reasons are but they should have the option available to them. Until you watch a loved one going through thr process of death I truely do not believe that anyone has the right to force their views on anyone. You are not facing what that person is facing. You do not have to go through the so called proceedures to ensure life. Is it more humane to deny a person food and drink? or the law of do not resitate? I think that is more inhumane than to say my life is not going to get any better and so I choose to end my life. What right do any of us have to force our views on anyone? Jackie Kennedy had the right to choose why can’t the average Joe have the same consideration? To be able to say good by with family and friends and celebrate the person who is and not the vegetable that is left to die. We put our dogs to sleep so that they do not suffer any more than they have. Are our lives any less important? Why do we have to suffer and not have the choice to call it quits when that quality of life is no longer evident? I watched my mother die for three long years and have watched her go through procedures to prolong her life and in the end the poor care of nursing facilities and the infections she had to endure and the painful treatment of those infections that she had to endure makes me in favor of physician assisted suicides. God does not want us to suffer. God does not want us to experience the pain and suffering of disease. So why as a human being are we enforcing that way on ourselves as well as our loved ones? Where is the compasion? Where is the love for human kind? Something is not right here and needs to be revised. Look at the poor people who are stuck in thoses facilities and see the mistreatment, the filth, the disease and infection that is spread not only in the Nursing facilities but in the hospitals themselves. None of this was happening years ago but it is today. Until the medical field cleans up their act who are they or anyone else to say that we do not have the right to choose if we want our live to end or not. The re was a time when children were not allowed on the floors of sick people not today. There are infants up there contracting the same diseases as the people in the hospitals. The cleaning of those facilities is not as clean as they once were. the nurses do not care and are as dirty by leaving syringes all over the place. If you do not have anyone there to speak for you then your are as good as dead. The care in hospitals and nursing facilities is sub standard. Not everyone has the space or the means to have the patient have care at home. Nursing facilities are the worse because there are not enough nurses to care for the patients as in a hospital. The nurse in a nursing facitity may have up to 30 patients on her shift. That is 1 nurse for 30 patients who are there for critical care. The CNA’s do not care. They will stand in the halls a talk with each other and the patients have to go to the bathroom all at the same time. Then when the patient has no choice but to soil their pants and the embarassment of having to do that not to mention not all CNA’s want to clean the mess so the patient has to sit in it. This causes the infections that they get. Not to mention that the nurses do not follow doctor’s written orders. The list is endless. Do you want to live your last days like that? People wake up! It may not be a choice for everyone but do not deny another person that right. Everyone should have the right to choose. After seeing what my mother went through I do not want the same fate for myself. I do not want my family feeling guilty because of what they may be forced to choose as a way of life for me. I want the right to say no more. I am so sick of people playing God by making the decision of what they feel is the right thing to do. I want to be able to make the decision of what I want to do when faced with what is going on in my life. I want what is right for me. Not what someone thinks should be right for everyone. We have had it stressed that we are all individuals so why can’t we make the decision of life vs death? Do not force your beliefs on another person. The option should be there for all people. Not everyone will choose that way of dying for whatever their reasons are but they should have the option available to them.

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