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	<title>Comments on: Two Sides of the Same Coin</title>
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		<title>By: Dr Bob</title>
		<link>http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/06/15/two-sides-same-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-13508</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Justin -- for someone whose call name is &quot;Justin of the Unjudging &quot;, you sure do a hell of a lot of judging.

Your ignorance of the historical and factual basis of the Christian faith is profound, and your arguments, self-perceived as novel and enlightened, are hoary and thoroughly refuted countless times for the past 2000 years, by intellectual giants who have no peer in today&#039;s smug, shallow postmodern &quot;intellectualism.&quot;

It really is in your best interest not to spout such nonsense in public -- you really end up  looking like a complete fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Justin &#8212; for someone whose call name is &#8220;Justin of the Unjudging &#8220;, you sure do a hell of a lot of judging.</p>
<p>Your ignorance of the historical and factual basis of the Christian faith is profound, and your arguments, self-perceived as novel and enlightened, are hoary and thoroughly refuted countless times for the past 2000 years, by intellectual giants who have no peer in today&#8217;s smug, shallow postmodern &#8220;intellectualism.&#8221;</p>
<p>It really is in your best interest not to spout such nonsense in public &#8212; you really end up  looking like a complete fool.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin of the Unjudging</title>
		<link>http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/06/15/two-sides-same-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-13507</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin of the Unjudging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 02:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been raised from conservative Catholic roots, I have read the bible, parts of the Quran and Parts of the Bhagavad Gita.  Regardless of how you chop it up, break it down and analyze it, the bible is no more a historical work then &quot;Jack and the Beanstock.&quot;

I could go on arguing all the same points over and over, the same points atheists always defend because when you deal with people of faith, faith has only given them so much ammunition before they start projecting hate speech at your questioning their logic.

So really, no matter what a theist says, it comes from the basis of fallacy and belief in something with no verifiable existence.  It&#039;s the mentality that has been used for thousands of years; explaining what man cannot explain.  The existence of ourselves is the ultimate challenge as well.  Theists claim that because they don&#039;t understand our physical explanations that are theories, based on doubt, require the same type of faith as believing a book with a cross on it, because it&#039;s a book with a cross on it.

I mentioned doubt; the area where science does it&#039;s investigations, coming up with explanations based on hypothesis and fact finding.  Religion dwells in the are of certainty, that what is written is what is and there is no dissent from that path, even when some of the stories run toe to toe with science.  The Catholic church is a beautiful, shining example of denouncing others based on preconstructed beliefs, and writing off some of the most intelligent minds to ever grace the earth.  Just reference Martin Luther for the church being wrong about internal issues, then consider the many philosophers who were denounced and discarded by the church, only to have their wisdom recognized centuries later.

The sooner theists, from whatever faith, recognize religion for the social machinery it is, take the writings as inspiration and not ultimate truth, and think for themselves, the sooner our world will actually approach peace, and not fight over who is the most peaceful by blowing one another up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been raised from conservative Catholic roots, I have read the bible, parts of the Quran and Parts of the Bhagavad Gita.  Regardless of how you chop it up, break it down and analyze it, the bible is no more a historical work then &#8220;Jack and the Beanstock.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could go on arguing all the same points over and over, the same points atheists always defend because when you deal with people of faith, faith has only given them so much ammunition before they start projecting hate speech at your questioning their logic.</p>
<p>So really, no matter what a theist says, it comes from the basis of fallacy and belief in something with no verifiable existence.  It&#8217;s the mentality that has been used for thousands of years; explaining what man cannot explain.  The existence of ourselves is the ultimate challenge as well.  Theists claim that because they don&#8217;t understand our physical explanations that are theories, based on doubt, require the same type of faith as believing a book with a cross on it, because it&#8217;s a book with a cross on it.</p>
<p>I mentioned doubt; the area where science does it&#8217;s investigations, coming up with explanations based on hypothesis and fact finding.  Religion dwells in the are of certainty, that what is written is what is and there is no dissent from that path, even when some of the stories run toe to toe with science.  The Catholic church is a beautiful, shining example of denouncing others based on preconstructed beliefs, and writing off some of the most intelligent minds to ever grace the earth.  Just reference Martin Luther for the church being wrong about internal issues, then consider the many philosophers who were denounced and discarded by the church, only to have their wisdom recognized centuries later.</p>
<p>The sooner theists, from whatever faith, recognize religion for the social machinery it is, take the writings as inspiration and not ultimate truth, and think for themselves, the sooner our world will actually approach peace, and not fight over who is the most peaceful by blowing one another up.</p>
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		<title>By: ideas for a definition essay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ideas for a definition essay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] good and evil. In Nor iron bars a cage, he asks, Is there a fundamental definition of evil? Are therhttp://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/06/15/two-sides-same-coin/Is Ethnic Conflict Inevitable? Foreign Affairs MagazineSummary: Critics refute Muller??s assumptions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] good and evil. In Nor iron bars a cage, he asks, Is there a fundamental definition of evil? Are therhttp://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/06/15/two-sides-same-coin/Is Ethnic Conflict Inevitable? Foreign Affairs MagazineSummary: Critics refute Muller??s assumptions [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Points of Interest #19 &#171; Mind, Soul, and Body</title>
		<link>http://docisinblog.com/index.php/2008/06/15/two-sides-same-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-11653</link>
		<dc:creator>Points of Interest #19 &#171; Mind, Soul, and Body</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is in, Dr. Bob has a wonderful post about the justness or unjustness of the universe, and the logical conundrum an atheist will get into trying to reject one totalitarian system only to have it replaced by [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is in, Dr. Bob has a wonderful post about the justness or unjustness of the universe, and the logical conundrum an atheist will get into trying to reject one totalitarian system only to have it replaced by [...]</p>
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		<title>By: peculiarmom23</title>
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		<dc:creator>peculiarmom23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been praying about this debate I had on here, and I asking God for the right words here the last couple days.  I just wanted to share what I read this morning, then I won&#039;t say anymore on this subject.

&quot;There is nothing outside the man which going into him can defile him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man...For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts and acts of sexual immorality, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride ad foolishness.  All thesee evil things proceed from within and defile the man.&quot;  Mark 7:15, 21-23

&quot;The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?&quot;  Jer. 17:9

Our sinfulness is part of our inherent nature.  We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we are sinners.  

How can each sinner choose morality for himself if he has a sinful nature?  He can&#039;t.

God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been praying about this debate I had on here, and I asking God for the right words here the last couple days.  I just wanted to share what I read this morning, then I won&#8217;t say anymore on this subject.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is nothing outside the man which going into him can defile him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man&#8230;For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts and acts of sexual immorality, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride ad foolishness.  All thesee evil things proceed from within and defile the man.&#8221;  Mark 7:15, 21-23</p>
<p>&#8220;The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?&#8221;  Jer. 17:9</p>
<p>Our sinfulness is part of our inherent nature.  We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we are sinners.  </p>
<p>How can each sinner choose morality for himself if he has a sinful nature?  He can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>God Bless.</p>
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